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SoxNats08 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 6292 Age: 16 Localisation: New England Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:02 am | |
| This has gone on for too long. Too long have I taken shit from members and dealt with it. Too long have I managed everyone's team for them. Too long have I been pushed over by GMs, and have done every single bit of work for this league. Too long have I handled every poor situation, carrying us through every problem. For every mistake, I have been criticized, scolded, blamed. For every mistake I have been chastised, like I was the reason for all of our issues. If I give you the type of crap you give me, this league wouldn't have made it past the first week of season 1. Certain members have been hell, and I am sure you all know who I am talking about. This has to come to an end. This will come to an end. July 9, 2007-February 17, 2008. 222 days. 222 days, too long. This is a madden league. When all of you registered, I hope you understood that this league's goal is to be as realistic to the NFL as possible. In the NFL, players get injured in the pre-season. Teams lose. The NFL is a professional organization. I'm a 14 year old kid. I hope you take that into consideration. For all of you guys who appreciate the things I do, I am extremely grateful. But for the few who don't, I suggest you think of your actions and words. I have three options for the future of this league: A. We continue this league. But in order to do this, we all need to do our part. GMs need to be organized with their rosters, meet the proper deadlines, and follow all given rules. This will be a totally different attitude then what we have now. It will b much more focused, and much more efficient in operation. B. We scrap and completely re-set on 360. Same site, but new rosters and again, much more focused and organized, so we don't make the same mistakes we have made that led to this dire situation. C. Over. We delete the forum, and move on with our lives. I hope you guys listen to yourselves and make the right decision. --SoxNats08 and BarackObama4Prez _________________ 2007 Washington Redskins 13-3-0, SUPER BOWL WINNERS |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:06 am | |
| I know i'm the inspiration for this Post, as i'm sure Ruskie is as well. I don't have any qualms with this post at all because I think it's warranted. I do think this is finally the stance you needed to take. But I feel you're taking it on the wrong platform. You're blaming me and Sox right now, right here, for a situation YOU did cause. Maybe me and Ruskie, (which i've apologized for and tried to help out since) causes static and frustration before. But the situation we are dealing with RIGHT THIS SECOND, is of no fault but your own. _________________  |
|  | | Ruskie89 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1816 Localisation: 2089, 2089, 2089.... Registration date: 2007-10-25
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:13 am | |
| I believe that if communication was more open, if Sox didn't rush to do simulations and such, and simply confirmed, got the trades processed, etc. We wouldn't be having an issue. These last two times (Week 1 and Preseason) was the result of Sox wanting to sim on THAT particular night. Give GMs adequate warning, and we wouldn't have these problems. I prefer option A, but with this in addition: More communication. More TIME to get those deadlines done. I'm not talking about resigning or any of that, I'm talking, when you decide to sim, just GIVE the GMs a heads up of adequate time of at least 24 hours, so that most GMs who check on daily will be able to respond to that. From what I understand, this week 1 simulation was because Nerd was over at Sox's house from the sleepover, and they decided to "force" / "squeeze" in the simulation during that period, which as we now see, didn't work. I know you have an outside life, which is why EF90 and others are trying to do most of the online work (sliders, etc.) leaving Sox to do mostly Simming and confirming trades processed, positions processed, etc. _________________ Baltimore Ravens |
|  | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 6292 Age: 16 Localisation: New England Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:14 am | |
| | Wes wrote: | I know i'm the inspiration for this Post, as i'm sure Ruskie is as well.
I don't have any qualms with this post at all because I think it's warranted.
I do think this is finally the stance you needed to take. But I feel you're taking it on the wrong platform. You're blaming me and Sox right now, right here, for a situation YOU did cause. Maybe me and Ruskie, (which i've apologized for and tried to help out since) causes static and frustration before.
But the situation we are dealing with RIGHT THIS SECOND, is of no fault but your own. |
Excuse me, why would I blame myself? Did you even read the thing?
You say Ruskie is an inspiration for this post. Wrong. Ruskie has no been a problem as of late. The only problem I see is the one that has just responded.
And you say we caused the situation.... YOU, my friend, caused it. You and your damn whining 24/7/365.
You also mention how you said you "apologized" and tried to help the league. When where and how? All you have done is vandalize the forum, post LIES, and wreak havoc among all members._________________ 2007 Washington Redskins 13-3-0, SUPER BOWL WINNERS |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:16 am | |
| | SoxNats08 wrote: | | Wes wrote: | I know i'm the inspiration for this Post, as i'm sure Ruskie is as well.
I don't have any qualms with this post at all because I think it's warranted.
I do think this is finally the stance you needed to take. But I feel you're taking it on the wrong platform. You're blaming me and Sox right now, right here, for a situation YOU did cause. Maybe me and Ruskie, (which i've apologized for and tried to help out since) causes static and frustration before.
But the situation we are dealing with RIGHT THIS SECOND, is of no fault but your own. |
Excuse me, why would I blame myself? Did you even read the thing?
You say Ruskie is an inspiration for this post. Wrong. Ruskie has no been a problem as of late. The only problem I see is the one that has just responded.
And you say we caused the situation.... YOU, my friend, caused it. You and your damn whining 24/7/365.
You also mention how you said you "apologized" and tried to help the league. When where and how? All you have done is vandalize the forum, post LIES, and wreak havoc among all members. |
Post Lies? what Lies have a posted? huh? What lies? I've apologized on several occasions, publically as well._________________  |
|  | | Ruskie89 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1816 Localisation: 2089, 2089, 2089.... Registration date: 2007-10-25
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:19 am | |
| | SoxNats08 wrote: | | Wes wrote: | I know i'm the inspiration for this Post, as i'm sure Ruskie is as well.
I don't have any qualms with this post at all because I think it's warranted.
I do think this is finally the stance you needed to take. But I feel you're taking it on the wrong platform. You're blaming me and Sox right now, right here, for a situation YOU did cause. Maybe me and Ruskie, (which i've apologized for and tried to help out since) causes static and frustration before.
But the situation we are dealing with RIGHT THIS SECOND, is of no fault but your own. |
Excuse me, why would I blame myself? Did you even read the thing?
You say Ruskie is an inspiration for this post. Wrong. Ruskie has no been a problem as of late. The only problem I see is the one that has just responded.
And you say we caused the situation.... YOU, my friend, caused it. You and your damn whining 24/7/365.
You also mention how you said you "apologized" and tried to help the league. When where and how? All you have done is vandalize the forum, post LIES, and wreak havoc among all members. |
To some extent, I agree, Wes doesn't get along with some particular members. However, what you just posted was a lie.
http://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-discussion-f2/the-proposal-i-made-to-sox-t3832.htm_________________ Baltimore Ravens |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:20 am | |
| Here's one of the major ways I tried to help out recently. http://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-discussion-f2/the-proposal-i-made-to-sox-t3832.htmI've also apologized to EF90, TD Jesus, And you on a few different Occassions, when I've acted on emotion. I had a LONG conversation not long ago with you on AIM where I gave you a VERY indepth apology and make that proposal to you that I listed above. I came to you with concerns instead of making them public, so that we could work through them together. But any time i ever have an opinion on something it's taken as "bitching." _________________  |
|  | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 6292 Age: 16 Localisation: New England Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:20 am | |
| | Ruskie89 wrote: | I believe that if communication was more open, if Sox didn't rush to do simulations and such, and simply confirmed, got the trades processed, etc. We wouldn't be having an issue. These last two times (Week 1 and Preseason) was the result of Sox wanting to sim on THAT particular night. Give GMs adequate warning, and we wouldn't have these problems.
I prefer option A, but with this in addition: More communication. More TIME to get those deadlines done. I'm not talking about resigning or any of that, I'm talking, when you decide to sim, just GIVE the GMs a heads up of adequate time of at least 24 hours, so that most GMs who check on daily will be able to respond to that.
From what I understand, this week 1 simulation was because Nerd was over at Sox's house from the sleepover, and they decided to "force" / "squeeze" in the simulation during that period, which as we now see, didn't work. I know you have an outside life, which is why EF90 and others are trying to do most of the online work (sliders, etc.) leaving Sox to do mostly Simming and confirming trades processed, positions processed, etc. |
LSHMFGSFO.
You say that we need to give you more time.... 2 weeks ain't enough?? Ruskie, apparently you are the only one who had difficulties getting his requirements in on time...
If you call spending 5 HOURS fixing all of your mistakes with the problem trades, inputting them, inputting regular trades, Depth Charts, Sliders, I wouldn't call hat squeezing it in. We wasted our entire saturday night, so you guys can just complain more.
Most of the online work is done by me, if you haven't noticed... Most of the damn work is done by me in general...
If w stat a new league, or reset this one, then i need alot more help then I am getting now._________________ 2007 Washington Redskins 13-3-0, SUPER BOWL WINNERS |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:23 am | |
| Also, please enlighten me, what Lies have I been posting? If you're talking about the AIM conversation I just posted not long ago. I got the Print Screens to prove its authenticity. _________________  |
|  | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 6292 Age: 16 Localisation: New England Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:23 am | |
| Sox here: You guys have not given me the support I need to run this league. You say that I should have processed the trades, well the reason they are problem trades is because you guys messed up in YOUR trades... Now, this is what I would want to do: I would want to go with option B. In terms of convenience, its easiest for me to do the sim on the 360... Its always hard getting on to the PS2. But of course this will get ignored because its never whats easy for me, its whats best for you guys, isn't it? _________________ 2007 Washington Redskins 13-3-0, SUPER BOWL WINNERS |
|  | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 6292 Age: 16 Localisation: New England Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:24 am | |
| | Wes wrote: | Also, please enlighten me, what Lies have I been posting?
If you're talking about the AIM conversation I just posted not long ago. I got the Print Screens to prove its authenticity. |
Never said those were fake..._________________ 2007 Washington Redskins 13-3-0, SUPER BOWL WINNERS |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:26 am | |
| | SoxNats08 wrote: | | Wes wrote: | Also, please enlighten me, what Lies have I been posting?
If you're talking about the AIM conversation I just posted not long ago. I got the Print Screens to prove its authenticity. |
Never said those were fake... |
Well..then what are you talking about. You called me a liar, now tell me what I lied about.
As far as my apologies, I would think anyone who has been active here can tell you they existed, including EF, TD, mk, Ruskie and others.
The issue is, we can't reference them because they existed near the end of threads that were considered problemsome when I apologized for my overreacting or actions, etc. And those threads have since been deleted.
Why I would lie about something that trivial is beyond me._________________  |
|  | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 6292 Age: 16 Localisation: New England Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:30 am | |
| | Wes wrote: | | SoxNats08 wrote: | | Wes wrote: | Also, please enlighten me, what Lies have I been posting?
If you're talking about the AIM conversation I just posted not long ago. I got the Print Screens to prove its authenticity. |
Never said those were fake... |
Well..then what are you talking about. You called me a liar, now tell me what I lied about.
As far as my apologies, I would think anyone who has been active here can tell you they existed, including EF, TD, mk, Ruskie and others.
The issue is, we can't reference them because they existed near the end of threads that were considered problemsome when I apologized for my overreacting or actions, etc. And those threads have since been deleted.
Why I would lie about something that trivial is beyond me. |
Well, you said that we never gave you a warning for the sim. In fact, there was a post at 1:24 PM...
You also called nerd a nobody, which is a lie as he holds more gravitas than you in the league. You call him an ordinary GM, but he has the highest non-admin position in the league.
--SoxNats08_________________ 2007 Washington Redskins 13-3-0, SUPER BOWL WINNERS |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:36 am | |
| | SoxNats08 wrote: | | Wes wrote: | | SoxNats08 wrote: | | Wes wrote: | Also, please enlighten me, what Lies have I been posting?
If you're talking about the AIM conversation I just posted not long ago. I got the Print Screens to prove its authenticity. |
Never said those were fake... |
Well..then what are you talking about. You called me a liar, now tell me what I lied about.
As far as my apologies, I would think anyone who has been active here can tell you they existed, including EF, TD, mk, Ruskie and others.
The issue is, we can't reference them because they existed near the end of threads that were considered problemsome when I apologized for my overreacting or actions, etc. And those threads have since been deleted.
Why I would lie about something that trivial is beyond me. |
Well, you said that we never gave you a warning for the sim. In fact, there was a post at 1:24 PM...
You also called nerd a nobody, which is a lie as he holds more gravitas than you in the league. You call him an ordinary GM, but he has the highest non-admin position in the league.
--SoxNats08 |
Um..I called him a nobody in reference to Administration. I'm a nobody, Ruskie is a nobody, every GM except TD, you, Dream and EF90 is a nobody in reference to the fact they are admin's.
And, you still continue to ignore the point we are arguing, i didn't "lie about saying you didn't give me a warning." first of all, i don't recall saying you didn't give me one, but what i do recall saying is that I believe many GM's were likely under the assumption, you were going to take the advice of your fellow administrator who adviced, for logical reasoning, waiting until late afternoon sunday or Monday, to sim week 1, so that everything could be 100% sure that it was up to date and such.
So, I didn't lie about anything at all. I also didn't deny calling Nerd a nobody. I didn't exclude ANY part of our conversation on AIM from the posting. And for good reason.
It illustrates the miscommunication and disregard for GM concern that I was talking to TD about.
You are obviously taking more concern about what Nerd thinks, and only nerd, than what your admins or the majority of the rest of the GM's think. This decision, as far s you've allowed it to appear, was made Based on ONE Sole NON-Admin.
You claim that "no one was on to read EF90's Post" But i saw it, Kyle Saw it, Ruskie Saw it, SS 89 saw it, i'm sure we're not the only ones that saw it._________________  |
|  | | Wes Hall of Famer


Number of posts: 1013 Age: 28 Localisation: Jersey Shore, PA Registration date: 2007-12-07
 | Subject: Re: Ultimatum: The Final Proposition Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:37 am | |
| You also claim that "EF90 wont care" But I would think to the contrary. That if he didn't care he wouldn't have posted the advice to wait until tomorrow afternoon. _________________  |
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