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so?

you know how amazing that would be

it's like Ap and Chestaer taylor, you just can't stop it !
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so?

you know how amazing that would be

it's like Ap and Chestaer taylor, you just can't stop it !

i kno it would be sick, but the pats would never ever do that. like the guy should research alittle the types of moves we make. I think we go 0-line or LB this year.
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NE will go for Dan Connor for sure.
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this guys a fucking idiot, yea the raiders oline sucks... Thats why their ranked 6th in the run game, fuckin douche. The raiders are 25th in sacks and 28th in passing, they need a pass rusher or a better WR asshat.

NE picking mcfadden would be just ridiculously retarded even for the pats

Philly doesnt need another pass rusher, Coles is leading the league in sacks and as long as kearse stays healthy hes a beast too. Theyve got some pretty good depth their too and overall a solid line, no need to address it more, theyre rush defense is ranked 8th and theyre 3rd in sacks so this dipshit obviously doesnt know anything about what hes talking about.

Why the hell would San Diego pick another DLineman, they have the best DT in the game and two killer YOUNG DEs to go along with Jamal Williams. Theyre run defense is ranked 7th and theyre 15th in sacks. This isnt the categorie they need to be addressing.

Cincy has good LBs but theyve just had a brutal string of bad luck with injuries and such. Theyre still 14th in tackles and theres much better areas to improve on.

This person obviously just pulled names out of a hat
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this guys a fucking idiot, yea the raiders oline sucks... Thats why their ranked 6th in the run game, fuckin douche. The raiders are 25th in sacks and 28th in passing, they need a pass rusher or a better WR asshat.

NE picking mcfadden would be just ridiculously retarded even for the pats

Philly doesnt need another pass rusher, Coles is leading the league in sacks and as long as kearse stays healthy hes a beast too. Theyve got some pretty good depth their too and overall a solid line, no need to address it more, theyre rush defense is ranked 8th and theyre 3rd in sacks so this dipshit obviously doesnt know anything about what hes talking about.

Why the hell would San Diego pick another DLineman, they have the best DT in the game and two killer YOUNG DEs to go along with Jamal Williams. Theyre run defense is ranked 7th and theyre 15th in sacks. This isnt the categorie they need to be addressing.

Cincy has good LBs but theyve just had a brutal string of bad luck with injuries and such. Theyre still 14th in tackles and theres much better areas to improve on.

This person obviously just pulled names out of a hat

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i like the packers pick in that mock draft. but knowing the GB staff, they will draft fucking a kicker. idiots Rolling Eyes
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this guys a fucking idiot, yea the raiders oline sucks... Thats why their ranked 6th in the run game, fuckin douche. The raiders are 25th in sacks and 28th in passing, they need a pass rusher or a better WR asshat.

NE picking mcfadden would be just ridiculously retarded even for the pats

Philly doesnt need another pass rusher, Coles is leading the league in sacks and as long as kearse stays healthy hes a beast too. Theyve got some pretty good depth their too and overall a solid line, no need to address it more, theyre rush defense is ranked 8th and theyre 3rd in sacks so this dipshit obviously doesnt know anything about what hes talking about.
Why the hell would San Diego pick another DLineman, they have the best DT in the game and two killer YOUNG DEs to go along with Jamal Williams. Theyre run defense is ranked 7th and theyre 15th in sacks. This isnt the categorie they need to be addressing.

Cincy has good LBs but theyve just had a brutal string of bad luck with injuries and such. Theyre still 14th in tackles and theres much better areas to improve on.

This person obviously just pulled names out of a hat

Actually Jevon Kearse isnt that good...at all hes an athletic freak but hes old and hes been extremely injury prone as of late and the Bengals LBs SUCK I dont care what the rankings are they SUCK BIG TIME its like oaklands pass defense last year, where they good? yes of course BUT teams being able to run the hell out of them certainly made it easier on the passing defense. Bengals pick is good and the Eagles pick is decent(It isnt their biggest need but its a good pick).
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read my post, I said as long as kearse stays healthy hes a beast. Before he got hurt he was in the top 5 of sacks, so yea he is pretty damn good but ridiculously injury prone. And they have depth there anyway, regardless their line doesnt need anything at all.

the Bengals LBs dont suck Im not sure what your talking about, theyre mediocre which is proven by they have other areas that they can improve on.

The Eagles pick is absolutley retarded man, check out the stats before you say something like that.... Thats basically their least needed position on defense

Bengals pick could have gone either way but its still not the best pick they could have made.

That oakland comment was kinda dumb too, theyre pass defense was insane and thats obviously the reason why they ran it more
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read my post, I said as long as kearse stays healthy hes a beast. Before he got hurt he was in the top 5 of sacks, so yea he is pretty damn good but ridiculously injury prone. And they have depth there anyway, regardless their line doesnt need anything at all.

the Bengals LBs dont suck Im not sure what your talking about, theyre mediocre which is proven by they have other areas that they can improve on.

The Eagles pick is absolutley retarded man, check out the stats before you say something like that.... Thats basically their least needed position on defense

Bengals pick could have gone either way but its still not the best pick they could have made.

That oakland comment was kinda dumb too, theyre pass defense was insane and thats obviously the reason why they ran it more
No that Oakland comment wasnt dumb at all. Their pass defense was good but their awful run defense made it look a LOT better. If a team is god awful at stopping the run and good at stopping the pass what are you gunna do more of? You're goiing to run the ball, teams ran the ball a ton on the Raiders which inflated their pass defense ratings BIG time. They definetly arent the best secondary in the NFL, I wouldve taken 9-10 teams secondarys before id take the Raiders
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9-10 is an exxageration, but i see his pt
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their run defense wasnt mediocre but it wasnt tremendous either. And your proving my point here, a teams is going to run the ball more on a team thats good at stopping the pass with a worse run defense, but what your taking away from the raiders is the fact that they were still giving up the 3rd least yards per game, and with their run defense giving up the 25th worst in the league (meaning their pass defense was ranked 1st in the league), sure the fact they ran more played into it a little, but it didnt have everything to do with it. So that says a lot about the passing game, also you arent keeping in mind here that they were also deadly on interceptions. And out of curiousity, who are these 10 teams with a better pass defense than the raiders?
Jags
Philly
Denver
New England
Chicago
Baltimore
Thats really all that I can think of that probably would a pass defense close to that of the Raiders
and both the Jags and Chicago are a bit of a stretch on there
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Jags
Philly
Denver
New England
Chicago
Baltimore
49ers
Green Bay
Washington

And I didnt prove your point at all... Teams didnt run on you because they were scared of your pass defense, they ran on you because it was soooo fricken easy to run on you... And lets take a look at the top 3 passing defenses last year shall we?

Oakland 150 passing yards per game
Indianapolis 159 passing yards per game
New Orleans 178 passing yards per game

NOW what do all of these teams have in common? They couldnt stop the run for shit. Case Closed.
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oh and baltimore was 6th so that must mean their pass defense is terrible too and your saying the less yards passing you allow the worse your defense is then.

And you arent taking total yards into consideration here.
Raiders were 3rd, 3RD!!! That means that what they lacked in run defense was MADE UP FOR IN PASS DEFENSE, the thing about those other teams you listed was that the Colts placed 21st overall in that categorie and the saints landed 11th. Where as although the colts had a worse run defense than the raiders, the saints had a better one, therefore just proving that the Raiders pass defense was the factore here AND That the Raiders run defense wasnt as bad as your making it out to be (which was the initial statement)

and theres no way the 49ers packers and skins are better

nnamdi=woodson (and thats a BIGGG stretch)
fabo>collins (by a longshot)
huff, schweig>the rest of the packers secondary

49ers are a bunch of old guys, your kidding me there, right?

Skins had a BRUTAL pass defense last year. NOBODY on their entire TEAM were in the top 40 for INTs
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also, the Colts have a good pass defense. So strike them off that list
At home they havent allowed a 100+ yard receiver in 23 games, dating back to I think 2 seasons ago, so last year they did do well on pass defense (Im not saying they had the best, but it certainly was up there for the most part)
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oh and baltimore was 6th so that must mean their pass defense is terrible too and your saying the less yards passing you allow the worse your defense is then.

And you arent taking total yards into consideration here.
Raiders were 3rd, 3RD!!! That means that what they lacked in run defense was MADE UP FOR IN PASS DEFENSE, the thing about those other teams you listed was that the Colts placed 21st overall in that categorie and the saints landed 11th. Where as although the colts had a worse run defense than the raiders, the saints had a better one, therefore just proving that the Raiders pass defense was the factore here AND That the Raiders run defense wasnt as bad as your making it out to be (which was the initial statement)

and theres no way the 49ers packers and skins are better

nnamdi=woodson (and thats a BIGGG stretch)
fabo>collins (by a longshot)
huff, schweig>the rest of the packers secondary

49ers are a bunch of old guys, your kidding me there, right?

Skins had a BRUTAL pass defense last year. NOBODY on their entire TEAM were in the top 40 for INTs

you forgot al harris
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oh and baltimore was 6th so that must mean their pass defense is terrible too and your saying the less yards passing you allow the worse your defense is then.

And you arent taking total yards into consideration here.
Raiders were 3rd, 3RD!!! That means that what they lacked in run defense was MADE UP FOR IN PASS DEFENSE, the thing about those other teams you listed was that the Colts placed 21st overall in that categorie and the saints landed 11th. Where as although the colts had a worse run defense than the raiders, the saints had a better one, therefore just proving that the Raiders pass defense was the factore here AND That the Raiders run defense wasnt as bad as your making it out to be (which was the initial statement)

and theres no way the 49ers packers and skins are better

nnamdi=woodson (and thats a BIGGG stretch)
fabo>collins (by a longshot)
huff, schweig>the rest of the packers secondary

49ers are a bunch of old guys, your kidding me there, right?

Skins had a BRUTAL pass defense last year. NOBODY on their entire TEAM were in the top 40 for INTs

you forgot al harris

Also forgot that Fabian lost his starting job to Stanford Routt this year.
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Also forgot that Fabian lost his starting job to Stanford Routt this year.

this ENTIRE conversation has been about last year dude
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huff, schweig>the rest of the packers secondary

you forgot al harris

ummm.... ^^
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huff, schweig>the rest of the packers secondary

you forgot al harris

ummm.... ^^

... what you're not understanding is that the Raiders pass defense was #1 BECAUSE TEAMS RAN ON THEM BECAUSE THEIR RUN DEFENSE SUCKED SO BAD THEY COULD WIN THE GAME WITHOUT TIRING OUT THEIR QB AND WR WHICH MADE THEIR PASS DEFENSE LOOK A LOT BETTER THEN IT ACTUALLY WAS.
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ok mk seriously, I never said their pass defense was the best, But it certainly was top 5-7 in the league. Your coming off making it seem as if its brutal. The fact they ran on them a lot is still a factor but opposing teams still passed on the raiders more than they ran against them last season
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And all I said was that id take 9-10 teams over them last year and I still would this year as well. Outside of Nnamdi Asomugha and MAYBE Michael Huff their secondary isnt that good...
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this year their secondary is kinda iffy, schweigert might be losing his position and fabo isnt doing so well either.


but this was about last year. Fabe had 4 INTs and schweigert had over 100 tackles, Huff had I think 78 tackles and nnamdi had 8 INTs. Those are great stats and then when you factor in their pass defense ranked 1st overall it isnt hard to put two and two together. They had a good pass defense, you could take 9-10 teams over them but you wouldnt be selecting the best option. Id take 31 teams over the Pats but that doesnt mean theyre the worst team in the league. Their pass defense was top 5 in the league last year. Their run defense was bottom 10. But your basically saying the only reason that they ran against them was because their run defense sucked, which isnt a good arguement. If a team has got champ bailey, chris mcallister, troy polamalu and ed reed, and a BRUTAL run defense, then the opposing team will run against them a lot too, that doesnt mean their pass defense sucks though.

and btw thats not how this started (bout how youd take 9-10 teams over them) incase that was what you were inferring.
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