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What do you want to do? | Clone all starters who have a long term injury, and the ones who were traded | | 27% | [ 4 ] | Only clone the ones who were traded | | 33% | [ 5 ] | Don't clone anyone, and keep the trades which involved injured players in pending until the end of the year | | 27% | [ 4 ] | Don't clone anyone, and reject all trades with injured players | | 13% | [ 2 ] |
| Total Votes : 15 | | Poll closed |
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SoxNats08 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 6292 Age : 30 Localisation : New England Registration date : 2007-07-09
| Subject: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:28 pm | |
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| | | mksadng Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1840 Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:30 pm | |
| I voted to only clone the players that were traded because no offense sox but those trades should have been processed before you started preseason. | |
| | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 6292 Age : 30 Localisation : New England Registration date : 2007-07-09
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:31 pm | |
| - mksadng wrote:
- I voted to only clone the players that were traded because no offense sox but those trades should have been processed before you started preseason.
in my defense, first off people shouldnt trade people they dont have. secondly, i was pressured by quite a few members to start the simming sooner rather than later | |
| | | mksadng Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1840 Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:33 pm | |
| - SoxNats08 wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
- I voted to only clone the players that were traded because no offense sox but those trades should have been processed before you started preseason.
in my defense, first off people shouldnt trade people they dont have. secondly, i was pressured by quite a few members to start the simming sooner rather than later No im saying that say I traded for an OLB and that trade wasnt processed and you started preseason and that OLB got injured on his OLD team because the trade wasnt processed. Thats what I was trying to say... | |
| | | Wes Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 42 Localisation : Jersey Shore, PA Registration date : 2007-12-06
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:33 pm | |
| Easiest and best thing, to do in my opinion is keep the trades that are involved here on the "back burner" The big issue I have is this.
Let's, for instance the guys i'm getting..they'd be progressing on my team probably.. I don't think there should be any situation where teams that know they're losing certain rookies, etc. are putting them as 3rd stringers or worse, simply to avoid allowing them to progress. I'm not saying people should be forced to start rookies and such, I'm just saying we as a league should not go in with Malicious intent so to speak and try to "manipulate" that ending value of a trade.
Secondly, Those who are on 1 year contracts, hypothetically, i think should be given free 1 year contracts to the teams that will receive them AFTER the season, due to not having the opportunity to decide on extensions for them during it. Thus, avoiding the situation where teams would get screwed over on trades. | |
| | | Touchdown Jesus! Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 2219 Age : 33 Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:50 pm | |
| the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys | |
| | | Wes Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 42 Localisation : Jersey Shore, PA Registration date : 2007-12-06
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:57 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it.. As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion. I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. | |
| | | Touchdown Jesus! Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 2219 Age : 33 Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:00 pm | |
| - TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it..
As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion.
I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. I think that we should be given the option to rework the trade, if both GMs agree to rework the trade without the injured player. However there was no real option for that listed so I went for the closest one, I was just saying what it came down to in regards to my thoughts, this thing was asking for opinions, when someone gives an opinion it's general courtesy not to bash it because after all, it's an opinion. | |
| | | Ruskie89 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1816 Localisation : 2089, 2089, 2089.... Registration date : 2007-10-24
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:02 pm | |
| - TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it..
As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion.
I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. I agree. I think that trades, especially with players who are older, should have been processed, and we should clone the players. However, it's only fair to clone all players who are going to miss time (I would say 2 weeks and up). This will have been a lesson about preseason for us all, and we should just go ahead, clone, correct, and move on. | |
| | | Wes Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 42 Localisation : Jersey Shore, PA Registration date : 2007-12-06
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:03 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it..
As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion.
I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. I think that we should be given the option to rework the trade, if both GMs agree to rework the trade without the injured player. However there was no real option for that listed so I went for the closest one, I was just saying what it came down to in regards to my thoughts, this thing was asking for opinions, when someone gives an opinion it's general courtesy not to bash it because after all, it's an opinion. I wasn't bashing your opinion I was simply stating a case between it. While I'm not trying to throw Sox under the bus and bring up all that crap that went on yesterday.. The trades were not processed when they should've been. I don't think teams like myself should be penalized due to that reality. I respect your opinion and i here where you're going with it, But again, If i were to have to decide, i'm all for cloning even though i don't like the idea. Cuz i'm not reworking any of the trades that i got approved. | |
| | | Wes Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 42 Localisation : Jersey Shore, PA Registration date : 2007-12-06
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:05 pm | |
| - Ruskie89 wrote:
- TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it..
As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion.
I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. I agree. I think that trades, especially with players who are older, should have been processed, and we should clone the players. However, it's only fair to clone all players who are going to miss time (I would say 2 weeks and up). This will have been a lesson about preseason for us all, and we should just go ahead, clone, correct, and move on. The Thing about cloning, is NO player that is going to be back by week 5, should be cloned, i think, that is involved in a trade. The reason i say that, is cuz you can just trade them before the trade deadline. Thats just my opinion. As far as trades are concerned, Post week 6 injuries are the ones we should be creating. | |
| | | Ruskie89 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1816 Localisation : 2089, 2089, 2089.... Registration date : 2007-10-24
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:07 pm | |
| - TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Ruskie89 wrote:
- TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it..
As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion.
I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. I agree. I think that trades, especially with players who are older, should have been processed, and we should clone the players. However, it's only fair to clone all players who are going to miss time (I would say 2 weeks and up). This will have been a lesson about preseason for us all, and we should just go ahead, clone, correct, and move on. The Thing about cloning, is NO player that is going to be back by week 5, should be cloned, i think, that is involved in a trade. The reason i say that, is cuz you can just trade them before the trade deadline. Thats just my opinion. As far as trades are concerned, Post week 6 injuries are the ones we should be creating. I agree with you here, but I also feel that it would be unfair for one team to get their guy back, and not another, if they are both long term injuries. I feel any player 6 weeks or more injury should be cloned for the fairness of cloning. On a side note, I believe this may be the first and possibly last time I support cloning. | |
| | | Wes Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 42 Localisation : Jersey Shore, PA Registration date : 2007-12-06
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:13 pm | |
| - Ruskie89 wrote:
- TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Ruskie89 wrote:
- TheBigTunaKing wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- the only problem is what if you're getting a guy whos really old? Age plays a huge factor here, like in one of my trades I got terry glenn, whos 34 years old. After this season he might be done for good so having the trade processed at the end of the year doesnt help me at all. Im kinda torn between denying the trades or cloning the guys
I am 10000000% percent against anyone being allowed to deny the trades, so if we gotta put up with this retarded cloning idea. then do it..
As far as I'm concerned as a GM. the "denying" of trades isn't even open for discussion.
I'm not trying to sound like i'm running shit, but dude.. TD, with all do respect, i hear where you're coming from, but that's worth and more infuriating then guys going down for the season. I agree. I think that trades, especially with players who are older, should have been processed, and we should clone the players. However, it's only fair to clone all players who are going to miss time (I would say 2 weeks and up). This will have been a lesson about preseason for us all, and we should just go ahead, clone, correct, and move on. The Thing about cloning, is NO player that is going to be back by week 5, should be cloned, i think, that is involved in a trade. The reason i say that, is cuz you can just trade them before the trade deadline. Thats just my opinion. As far as trades are concerned, Post week 6 injuries are the ones we should be creating. I agree with you here, but I also feel that it would be unfair for one team to get their guy back, and not another, if they are both long term injuries. I feel any player 6 weeks or more injury should be cloned for the fairness of cloning.
On a side note, I believe this may be the first and possibly last time I support cloning. That's my point, any guy with 5 weeks or less injury SHOULD NOT be cloned. Any guy with 6+ should be. However, at week 5.. We should have a "2nd chance" of cloning after those "5 week" guys are looked at, that way if any of those 5 week guys are STILL on the injury report, they can then be cloned prior to the Trade Deadline. I realize you'd say in most cases its just easier to clone them all, but i think i'ts pointless to clone 2-3 week injury guys.
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| | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 6292 Age : 30 Localisation : New England Registration date : 2007-07-09
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:13 pm | |
| The thing with denying a trade is lets say for example, the Willie Parker deal. Lets say Ian Johnson becomes like an 86 or something... there is no way in hell I'd do the deal, I'd likely want to hold on to Ian. Likewise, if Parker becomes a 94, I don't think the Texans would want to do the deal. | |
| | | Wes Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1013 Age : 42 Localisation : Jersey Shore, PA Registration date : 2007-12-06
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:15 pm | |
| - SoxNats08 wrote:
- The thing with denying a trade is lets say for example, the Willie Parker deal. Lets say Ian Johnson becomes like an 86 or something... there is no way in hell I'd do the deal, I'd likely want to hold on to Ian. Likewise, if Parker becomes a 94, I don't think the Texans would want to do the deal.
Fact is, I do NOT support being able to deny Trades that have ALREADY been approved and were failed to be processed. | |
| | | Ruskie89 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1816 Localisation : 2089, 2089, 2089.... Registration date : 2007-10-24
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:17 pm | |
| - SoxNats08 wrote:
- The thing with denying a trade is lets say for example, the Willie Parker deal. Lets say Ian Johnson becomes like an 86 or something... there is no way in hell I'd do the deal, I'd likely want to hold on to Ian. Likewise, if Parker becomes a 94, I don't think the Texans would want to do the deal.
Sox, the problem is, the trades were already approved, they just needed to be processed, we use cloning to "create" those guys to trade, it's the same thing at when I got on here, and Pats wanted to do a "tradeback" that was done long before. If you agree, post, and it's approved, I don't think you should be able to "deny" it due to injuries unforseen. Also, might I suggest that, while I think preseason injuries should be turned off, I get a feeling that the injury slider is set at an alarmingly high spot, and should be turned down if it is. | |
| | | Steve_Smith_#12 Team Captain
Number of posts : 222 Registration date : 2007-09-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:18 pm | |
| Process all trades as completely as you can and save a list of players that need to be swapped when the players come off of IR. Players on IR can't play no matter what, so staying on the original team until they're tradeable won't hurt anyone. Just make sure that you keep a list of who's going where for next offseason so that no deals fall through.
EX:
Warrick Dunn (IR) Jerious Norwood
for
Ahmad Bradshaw Brandon Jacobs (IR)
Trade Norwood for Bradshaw, and keep Dunn/Jacobs on the list so that they will be swapped when they get off IR. | |
| | | SoxNats08 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 6292 Age : 30 Localisation : New England Registration date : 2007-07-09
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:23 pm | |
| - Steve_Smith_#17 wrote:
- Process all trades as completely as you can and save a list of players that need to be swapped when the players come off of IR. Players on IR can't play no matter what, so staying on the original team until they're tradeable won't hurt anyone. Just make sure that you keep a list of who's going where for next offseason so that no deals fall through.
EX:
Warrick Dunn (IR) Jerious Norwood
for
Ahmad Bradshaw Brandon Jacobs (IR)
Trade Norwood for Bradshaw, and keep Dunn/Jacobs on the list so that they will be swapped when they get off IR. I see what your saying, but the Falcons are gettin raped Also, in that situation, what if Dunn retires? | |
| | | Ruskie89 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1816 Localisation : 2089, 2089, 2089.... Registration date : 2007-10-24
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:31 pm | |
| - SoxNats08 wrote:
- Steve_Smith_#17 wrote:
- Process all trades as completely as you can and save a list of players that need to be swapped when the players come off of IR. Players on IR can't play no matter what, so staying on the original team until they're tradeable won't hurt anyone. Just make sure that you keep a list of who's going where for next offseason so that no deals fall through.
EX:
Warrick Dunn (IR) Jerious Norwood
for
Ahmad Bradshaw Brandon Jacobs (IR)
Trade Norwood for Bradshaw, and keep Dunn/Jacobs on the list so that they will be swapped when they get off IR. I see what your saying, but the Falcons are gettin raped
Also, in that situation, what if Dunn retires? Cloning...... It's a one year solution, and we won't make the same mistake twice. | |
| | | DreamTeam Pro Bowler
Number of posts : 792 Age : 35 Localisation : Vancouver Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:00 pm | |
| - Ruskie89 wrote:
- SoxNats08 wrote:
- Steve_Smith_#17 wrote:
- Process all trades as completely as you can and save a list of players that need to be swapped when the players come off of IR. Players on IR can't play no matter what, so staying on the original team until they're tradeable won't hurt anyone. Just make sure that you keep a list of who's going where for next offseason so that no deals fall through.
EX:
Warrick Dunn (IR) Jerious Norwood
for
Ahmad Bradshaw Brandon Jacobs (IR)
Trade Norwood for Bradshaw, and keep Dunn/Jacobs on the list so that they will be swapped when they get off IR. I see what your saying, but the Falcons are gettin raped
Also, in that situation, what if Dunn retires? Cloning......
It's a one year solution, and we won't make the same mistake twice. CLONEEEE!! | |
| | | Steve_Smith_#12 Team Captain
Number of posts : 222 Registration date : 2007-09-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:09 pm | |
| - SoxNats08 wrote:
- I see what your saying, but the Falcons are gettin raped
Also, in that situation, what if Dunn retires? He would have retired if he was traded and then injured anyways. | |
| | | SimsZilla Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1054 Age : 33 Localisation : Michigan Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:10 pm | |
| i think i am a clone now, | |
| | | Touchdown Jesus! Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 2219 Age : 33 Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:39 pm | |
| - Steve_Smith_#17 wrote:
- SoxNats08 wrote:
- I see what your saying, but the Falcons are gettin raped
Also, in that situation, what if Dunn retires? He would have retired if he was traded and then injured anyways. whos to say he would have been injured on the team he was traded to | |
| | | eaglesfan90 Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1966 Registration date : 2007-10-15
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:45 pm | |
| I really feel we just need to clone every player that was involved in a trade, I mean, teams are greatly affected by this, and this 100% kills my rebuilding process, which sort of annoys me, I was hoping to got one year and progress, then in another year or so compete, but now I am setback a full season, as are many other teams
I mean, just from Audrae Allison's injury
Allison was traded to the Dolphins for Chambers then Chambers was traded to the Bengals in the Grossman deal then Grossman was traded in the Alex Smith deal
This sets me back one full year, and it will be hard to handle re-signings a such because you cannot trade a 1 year players unless they are re-signed, so, Grossman, say he is still on the Bengals, the Bengals would have to re-sign him in the game, for big money probably too, then they will have to deal with cap penalties that could set them back in cap, it's all just quite interlaced
I say, we create players, everything 100% correct, put them on their teams and then take out the real players and turn off auto-signings, this way, we get progression with our players, who are the "same" as the original players
To reverse all injuries is just quite selfish, injuries are a part of the game, but trades happened before the preseason, and I think they need to be honored just for that reason.
That's my opinion, rebuttal at will, but I really don't feel like getting in any debate or confrontation about this, so I probably won't respond, just do what you do Sox | |
| | | BarackObama4Prez Hall of Famer
Number of posts : 1135 Localisation : In ur moms pants Registration date : 2007-07-12
| Subject: Re: Cloning Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:48 pm | |
| cloning alot of players will take a very long time.
Lets limit the amount of work forced on SoxNats and say that only the season-ending injury players should be cloned.
Like what zoom (or someone else, cant remember) said, its a one year thing, and next the same mistake wont happen. | |
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