Ultimatum: The Final Proposition

Honestly Sox, it has gotten to a point where I do not think you are MENTALLY fit to run this league. You are being manipulated by Nerd, and you have gotten behind after the season ended. We wouldnt be in this position if you did the trades as the league went along, not just avoid until a time where you had to do over 50 trades and screw with rosters before ou start the season. There is no one to blame for the problems in this league BUT you. You have been lazy and unmotivated in this league, and maybe its your home life, or maybe not, but at least come out say it, and not try and place the blame on others.

I have alot of fun in this league, and it would be sad to see it die. But with Sox in charge, and his faggot-ass henchman like Nerd, every league he starts will die in the end, unless he gets on the stick and works hard, or gets rid of Nerd.

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

and let me know when you get your dick out of sox's ass

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

Wow, an opinion by another GM besides me and Dragon (and no, we have NOT talked to cats, that's his opinion), and it is shot down by someone who wishes to have power?

Honestly, Cats basically spoke for what most of the GMs probably think.

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Ruskie89 wrote:

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

Wow, an opinion by another GM besides me and Dragon (and no, we have NOT talked to cats, that's his opinion), and it is shot down by someone who wishes to have power?

Honestly, Cats basically spoke for what most of the GMs probably think.

I was surprised by Cats really, cuz we had been friends for a long time and now he decides I am corrupt and power hungry. Oh well.

And Ruskie, most GMs would carry over to the new league.

eaglesfan90 wrote:

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Ok dude I was talking about GMless teams, not like processed trades or position changes...

eaglesfan90 wrote:

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Wow, nice find EF90.

catspajamas wrote:

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

and let me know when you get your dick out of sox's ass

Worst.

Comeback.

In.

History.

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Ruskie89 wrote:

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

Wow, an opinion by another GM besides me and Dragon (and no, we have NOT talked to cats, that's his opinion), and it is shot down by someone who wishes to have power?

Honestly, Cats basically spoke for what most of the GMs probably think.

I was surprised by Cats really, cuz we had been friends for a long time and now he decides I am corrupt and power hungry. Oh well.

And Ruskie, most GMs would carry over to the new league.

Maybe you were and still are friends, but that doesn't mean that you didn't make a mistake. You just can't face reality.

Ruskie89 wrote:

eaglesfan90 wrote:

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Wow, nice find EF90.

read up redneck

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

eaglesfan90 wrote:

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Ok dude I was talking about GMless teams, not like processed trades or position changes...

Hang on, lemme look that one up, I believe it's listed in the top 100 of the 1001 Good Excuses book......

Ah there it is....... "I wasn't talking about it all, I was talking about this and that" (An attempt to defend oneself and manipulate an earlier statement to not appear as bad).

Honestly, we should have had Player position changes, depth charts, all confirmed, and trades all processed.

As we can now see, Nerd was pushing to have it done, him going to Sox's house allowed him to physically ask / force Sox to do it.

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

catspajamas wrote:

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Thanks Catspajamas.

Let me know when you finally remove the stick up your ass.

and let me know when you get your dick out of sox's ass

Worst.

Comeback.

In.

History.

It's the same insult you used?

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

Ruskie89 wrote:

eaglesfan90 wrote:

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Wow, nice find EF90.

read up redneck

Again, you need to stop with the cheapshots. You're taking it a bit too far.

The point in which you brought my kids into a conversation which hadnothing to do with them or any of my family for that matter, was taking it a bit too far.

You are making it appear more and more, like you're sitting there beside Sox, like a parrot on a pirates shoulder, churping in his year instigating this whole situation.

Making it worse and doing whatever you have to, to make people believe it's the fault of me and Ruskie.

But anyone who has read the AIM conversation between me and Sox that occurred last night, and looked at the other threads that have been revolving around this situation, should be able to clearly see, thta is not at all the case.

Ruskie89 wrote:

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

eaglesfan90 wrote:

I'm going to post my opinion in a bit, but before I do, I would just like to point out this post, this is why people think you manipulated Sox nerd, I don't exactly think you have, just bringing it to you attention

https://madden08league.forummotion.com/league-news-and-announcements-f1/bills-fins-bucs-t4022.htm#35690

BarackObama4Prez wrote:

We can do the Sim without them, lets not keep procrastinating it. Plz Sox just sim week 1!!!!

Ok dude I was talking about GMless teams, not like processed trades or position changes...

Hang on, lemme look that one up, I believe it's listed in the top 100 of the 1001 Good Excuses book......

Ah there it is....... "I wasn't talking about it all, I was talking about this and that" (An attempt to defend oneself and manipulate an earlier statement to not appear as bad).

Honestly, we should have had Player position changes, depth charts, all confirmed, and trades all processed.

As we can now see, Nerd was pushing to have it done, him going to Sox's house allowed him to physically ask / force Sox to do it.

If you read the entire thing, the title was "Bills, Fins, Bucs". Those were the three vacant teams.

Then Sox said "Lets fill them up guys" or something like that.

Then I said "We can do the sim without them".

"Them" is reffering to GMs for the bills fins and bucs.

Enough already:evil:

This whole situation is ridiculous and unneeded to begin with, but, since it is here, I must address it, and it puts me in a melancholy mood, the things I am about to say.

I have talked with Sox, and I am basing me thoughts on this upon that conversation, if you want it, he has it available.

Sox is a 14 year old boy, doing something that he thought was fun, but which is no longer enjoyable, this kid is put under an immense amount of criticism and stress that is unneeded at such a tender age.

He is tired of this bickering, and tired of the pressure, this can and will cause the resignation of some members I have talked to already.

So, having the aforementioned information, and it pains me to say this, I think we have to stop this league, Sox is no longer having fun, and many are losing interest, I know it seems like we have done all this hard work for nothing, but think of the league as it once was, at this point, I don't feel we can come back from this hinderance, Sox is no longer having fun, and really, when he runs it, that means a lot, I'm sorry, but I think this league is officially over, and now that it may be, there is no use or need to point fingers, so please, don't try


Sincerely,
Mike

I have no idea who locked this, but we really need to discuss this, so please don't lock it again, if everyone can start acting like adults, we will see the best decision, Sox, you can post that AIM convo if you want

"Days of Our Lives"

eaglesfan90 wrote:

This whole situation is ridiculous and unneeded to begin with, but, since it is here, I must address it, and it puts me in a melancholy mood, the things I am about to say.

I have talked with Sox, and I am basing me thoughts on this upon that conversation, if you want it, he has it available.

Sox is a 14 year old boy, doing something that he thought was fun, but which is no longer enjoyable, this kid is put under an immense amount of criticism and stress that is unneeded at such a tender age.

He is tired of this bickering, and tired of the pressure, this can and will cause the resignation of some members I have talked to already.

So, having the aforementioned information, and it pains me to say this, I think we have to stop this league, Sox is no longer having fun, and many are losing interest, I know it seems like we have done all this hard work for nothing, but think of the league as it once was, at this point, I don't feel we can come back from this hinderance, Sox is no longer having fun, and really, when he runs it, that means a lot, I'm sorry, but I think this league is officially over, and now that it may be, there is no use or need to point fingers, so please, don't try


Sincerely,
Mike

I can see where you are coming from.

However, how was this brought about?

I understand Sox doesn't enjoy sitting for 5 hours and updating everything, but honestly, those position changes, those team captains, those depth charts have been sitting for weeks. Do you not think if he spent just a little time each day to update some of the stuff, he wouldn't be "swarmed" with it all in one night? Also, there is the problem that he feels, even if he's not done, he has to go ahead with the sim. We had that problem in preseason, and I thought we had learned from it.

If anything, I am shocked that Sox and Nerd have decided so quickly, without consulting any other admins or GMs, to start over and create a new league.

Ruskie89 wrote:

eaglesfan90 wrote:

This whole situation is ridiculous and unneeded to begin with, but, since it is here, I must address it, and it puts me in a melancholy mood, the things I am about to say.

I have talked with Sox, and I am basing me thoughts on this upon that conversation, if you want it, he has it available.

Sox is a 14 year old boy, doing something that he thought was fun, but which is no longer enjoyable, this kid is put under an immense amount of criticism and stress that is unneeded at such a tender age.

He is tired of this bickering, and tired of the pressure, this can and will cause the resignation of some members I have talked to already.

So, having the aforementioned information, and it pains me to say this, I think we have to stop this league, Sox is no longer having fun, and many are losing interest, I know it seems like we have done all this hard work for nothing, but think of the league as it once was, at this point, I don't feel we can come back from this hinderance, Sox is no longer having fun, and really, when he runs it, that means a lot, I'm sorry, but I think this league is officially over, and now that it may be, there is no use or need to point fingers, so please, don't try


Sincerely,
Mike

I can see where you are coming from.

However, how was this brought about?

I understand Sox doesn't enjoy sitting for 5 hours and updating everything, but honestly, those position changes, those team captains, those depth charts have been sitting for weeks. Do you not think if he spent just a little time each day to update some of the stuff, he wouldn't be "swarmed" with it all in one night? Also, there is the problem that he feels, even if he's not done, he has to go ahead with the sim. We had that problem in preseason, and I thought we had learned from it.

If you wanted this league to work, you wouldn't give a fuck how it happened, if anyone really cared, we would be coming up with solutions rather than saying who did wrong and how, am I mad at what happened, sure, but we must get past it, and it seems like we cannot, and that is why we should just forget about this league

Ruskie, after re-reading my post, I can see you may take some offense from it, but just know I posted that with no offense intended

eaglesfan90 wrote:

Ruskie, after re-reading my post, I can see you may take some offense from it, but just know I posted that with no offense intended

Dude, I don't take offense to what you say, I highly regard you both as administrator / Gm, and as an individual, and I respect your opinion.

eaglesfan90 wrote:

Ruskie, after re-reading my post, I can see you may take some offense from it, but just know I posted that with no offense intended

I agree with Ruskie here, I don't think those of us who have gotten to know how you work as an Admin and GM, could possibly be offended by you. I appreciate what you're trying to do and aappreciate what you have done to this point and support you 100%