Jags/pats

patriots Get
DT Amobi Okoyo/21 (madden started him at 20, so he be 21)
Jags 3rd rounder

Jags Get
DE Johnny dingle 80/22
MLB/OLB Burnett 75 /26


Patriots Agree

what's amobi's rating?

I confirm and Okoye's rating is an 80

patriots are getting one player they have been targeting for while that is okoyo, he has a good motor and a run stuffer, to get him they give up johnny dingle who is a great pas rusher DE (what he had okoyo playing) and a MLb/ OLB with some pretty good ratings by the name of kevin burnett

even though burnett is in final year he will still be free due to he not being over 77 makeing that fine for those looking about that in the TC

Patriots hope this deal gets approved as well as the Jags

its okoye, goddammit

SoxNats08 wrote:

its okoye, goddammit

sorry i can't spell his name

and you sound like eric cartman from southpark for a second

silvablitz wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

its okoye, goddammit

sorry i can't spell his name

and you sound like eric cartman from southpark for a second

how can i sound like something if i am typing...

SoxNats08 wrote:

silvablitz wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

its okoye, goddammit

sorry i can't spell his name

and you sound like eric cartman from southpark for a second

how can i sound like something if i am typing...

alright you reminded me of eric cartmen

sorry

silvablitz wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

silvablitz wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

its okoye, goddammit

sorry i can't spell his name

and you sound like eric cartman from southpark for a second

how can i sound like something if i am typing...

alright you reminded me of eric cartmen

sorry

im just messin with u silva

SoxNats08 wrote:

silvablitz wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

silvablitz wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

its okoye, goddammit

sorry i can't spell his name

and you sound like eric cartman from southpark for a second

how can i sound like something if i am typing...

alright you reminded me of eric cartmen

sorry

im just messin with u silva

lol

vote please

Denied 1-3 Jags were giving up to much

mksadng wrote:

Denied 1-3 Jags were giving up to much

can i ask how ?

Okoye>Dingle
3rd round pick>>>Burnett

thats not a real explantion

but alright what if we were to change it to a fourth ?

silvablitz wrote:

thats not a real explantion

but alright what if we were to change it to a fourth ?

Ya that is an explanation it was a bad deal for the Jags... Youd have to repost it as a new trade and BTW I think Okoye is a higher DT then DE so hes probably like an 83 DT.

mksadng wrote:

silvablitz wrote:

thats not a real explantion

but alright what if we were to change it to a fourth ?

Ya that is an explanation it was a bad deal for the Jags... Youd have to repost it as a new trade and BTW I think Okoye is a higher DT then DE so hes probably like an 83 DT.

okoye plays DT, dingle is the DE

Touchdown Jesus! wrote:

mksadng wrote:

silvablitz wrote:

thats not a real explantion

but alright what if we were to change it to a fourth ?

Ya that is an explanation it was a bad deal for the Jags... Youd have to repost it as a new trade and BTW I think Okoye is a higher DT then DE so hes probably like an 83 DT.

okoye plays DT, dingle is the DE

so really dingle>= Okoyo

and than we got burnett who is 75, if 77 players are worth second rounders why should a 75 not equal a 3rd rounder

youve also got to keep in mind that a DE isnt going to perform as well at DT. That is unless they have very high strength. Guards are the strong ones usually where as OTs have got more speed. If you're running a 3-4 then the strenght is more of a factor for the DEs but regardless, a DE will typically not be as productive at DT if moved, even though the rating usually goes up.

silvablitz wrote:

and than we got burnett who is 75, if 77 players are worth second rounders why should a 75 not equal a 3rd rounder

Im not sure where you got that a 77 is worth a 2nd rounder, there were a lot of 80s pulled out of the 2nd round this year.

but really the DT will than not be able to rusher the pass or have the necceary speed to go catch the outside run or quaterback, which helps prevent big plays. also against a Qb that is agily that can run, would you rather have a DE that has been know as a great pass rusher or a DT that is strong

so really its win and take, also dingle isn't gotta have a bad streght prob around 84-85 range, okoyo is around 88-89

if i were to change the third into a fourth could it get passed ?

No what I was saying is that Okoye was an 80 AT DE, which is where the Jaguars had him, so he will probably be rated higher at DT and IMO the Pick should be a 5th or 6th at the highest...since you can get players much better then Burnett in the 6th and even the 7th.

silvablitz wrote:

but really the DT will than not be able to rusher the pass or have the necceary speed to go catch the outside run or quaterback, which helps prevent big plays. also against a Qb that is agily that can run, would you rather have a DE that has been know as a great pass rusher or a DT that is strong

so really its win and take, also dingle isn't gotta have a bad streght prob around 84-85 range, okoyo is around 88-89

because thats not what DTs do. You might as well make the arguement that DTs would suck at CB because they arent fast so this trade should go through. I made the statement because you put fourth the fact that DE>DT increases rating, not because its not their initial position. An upgraded rating is great and all but when the player is performing at less that usual standards than what's the point.

And I would much rather have a strong DT. Forcing the quarterback out of the pocket is (Ive found) best done from a bullrush to collapse it, that way the QB wont step UP into the pocket if he feels a presence coming from the sides. And as we all know, if you force a QB out of his pocket then hes got a lot of decisions to make in little time, best chance to force a turnover.

I think this issue with this deal was not Dingle and Okoye. Those two if not perfectly equal were very close. It came down to the LB for the 3rd rounder. It mattered whether he was 75 at MLB or 75 at OLB. In most cases a 75 MLB is more valuable than a 75 OLB. While we don't value a MLB at their rating at OLB which is usually a good deal higher. Also MLB tend to progress faster than Olb's (this is just one of those things with Maddens last gen progression system)